Comments on: White Roofs Project Update and White Roofs at Auckland EcoDay Festival on 6th March https://happyzine.co.nz/2011/01/29/coming-event-white-roofs-project-update-and-auckland-ecoday-festival-on-6th-march/ Because good news makes a difference Wed, 13 Feb 2013 04:30:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ian https://happyzine.co.nz/2011/01/29/coming-event-white-roofs-project-update-and-auckland-ecoday-festival-on-6th-march/comment-page-1/#comment-18049 Ian Thu, 30 Jun 2011 01:55:30 +0000 https://happyzine.co.nz/?p=10623#comment-18049 Hi Bruce and George. Thanks to both of you for your comments. An unpainted galvanised (or zincalume) iron roof does have a good reflectivity when it is new, but this drops off over time as it weathers. Unfortunately, like most metals it also has a low emissivity meaning that it cannot re-radiate heat very well, so as it absorbs solar energy from the unreflected portion of the sunlight its temperature goes up as the heat builds up inside it and it is not a cool roof. To give an example, I measured the temperatures of some standard roofing colours on roofing iron in the midday sun last February and measured black at 74 ºC (scalding temperature) while white paint right next to it was 39 ºC (blood temperature). The new unpainted galvanised sample was 63 ºC (too hot to keep your hand on). But after a few years when its reflectivity has dropped off to low values it gets even hotter than this. You can see the results at http://whiteroofs.org.nz/html/other_notes.html People have commented to me that when they have been painting their galvanised roof they were surprised at how much cooler the iron was after painting, or even during painting when they have come back from lunch and put one hand on the unpainted iron and the other hand on the newly painted iron right next to it. I suppose how long an unpainted galv roof would last depends to an extent on the local climate. For example if you lived in a dry climate then it would last longer, if you live in a humid warm climate it would corrode more quickly and need replacing earlier, and it is well known that if you live near the sea it will corrode faster due to the salt deposits from the sea air. Since emissions are generated when the roof is manufactured, the lifetime of the roof becomes a factor when calculating the annual emissions cost over the lifetime of the roof. I don't have the numbers on this or for emissions from paint manufacture, but it is on my "to do" list when I have time. By comparison, a number of scientific studies have found that a flat white roof reflects enough sunlight back into space to have a cooling effect that cancels the global warming of roughly 10 tonne of carbon dioxide emissions. And if you have air conditioning then you may also have energy savings from reduced air conditioning use which in turn reduces CO2 emissions. A 2010 study into four types of commercial buildings across the USA, looked at overall energy and emissions savings from replacing a dark roof with a white roof (summertime cooling savings minus winter heating penalty equals overall savings) and found that savings were greatest in the warmer zones in the south of the country and that even up in the cooler zones near the Canadian border there were savings in energy and emissions. This study did not also take into account the added benefit of cooling the planet by reflecting sunlight back into space, as that has been covered in some depth in other papers. Ian Hi Bruce and George. Thanks to both of you for your comments. An unpainted galvanised (or zincalume) iron roof does have a good reflectivity when it is new, but this drops off over time as it weathers. Unfortunately, like most metals it also has a low emissivity meaning that it cannot re-radiate heat very well, so as it absorbs solar energy from the unreflected portion of the sunlight its temperature goes up as the heat builds up inside it and it is not a cool roof. To give an example, I measured the temperatures of some standard roofing colours on roofing iron in the midday sun last February and measured black at 74 ºC (scalding temperature) while white paint right next to it was 39 ºC (blood temperature). The new unpainted galvanised sample was 63 ºC (too hot to keep your hand on). But after a few years when its reflectivity has dropped off to low values it gets even hotter than this. You can see the results at http://whiteroofs.org.nz/html/other_notes.html

People have commented to me that when they have been painting their galvanised roof they were surprised at how much cooler the iron was after painting, or even during painting when they have come back from lunch and put one hand on the unpainted iron and the other hand on the newly painted iron right next to it.

I suppose how long an unpainted galv roof would last depends to an extent on the local climate. For example if you lived in a dry climate then it would last longer, if you live in a humid warm climate it would corrode more quickly and need replacing earlier, and it is well known that if you live near the sea it will corrode faster due to the salt deposits from the sea air. Since emissions are generated when the roof is manufactured, the lifetime of the roof becomes a factor when calculating the annual emissions cost over the lifetime of the roof. I don’t have the numbers on this or for emissions from paint manufacture, but it is on my “to do” list when I have time.

By comparison, a number of scientific studies have found that a flat white roof reflects enough sunlight back into space to have a cooling effect that cancels the global warming of roughly 10 tonne of carbon dioxide emissions. And if you have air conditioning then you may also have energy savings from reduced air conditioning use which in turn reduces CO2 emissions. A 2010 study into four types of commercial buildings across the USA, looked at overall energy and emissions savings from replacing a dark roof with a white roof (summertime cooling savings minus winter heating penalty equals overall savings) and found that savings were greatest in the warmer zones in the south of the country and that even up in the cooler zones near the Canadian border there were savings in energy and emissions. This study did not also take into account the added benefit of cooling the planet by reflecting sunlight back into space, as that has been covered in some depth in other papers.

Ian

]]>
By: George https://happyzine.co.nz/2011/01/29/coming-event-white-roofs-project-update-and-auckland-ecoday-festival-on-6th-march/comment-page-1/#comment-10480 George Tue, 01 Feb 2011 23:38:27 +0000 https://happyzine.co.nz/?p=10623#comment-10480 Unfortunately, bare metal roofing is much worse as a cool roof than white. Although the metal has decent reflectivity, it has low emittance - it still gets hot. Just touch an unpainted galvanised sheet and a white painted one in full sun at mid-day! There is probably a lot to be said for the energy and other environmental savings in never painting a roof, however. This kind of environmental accounting gets complicated. Unfortunately, bare metal roofing is much worse as a cool roof than white. Although the metal has decent reflectivity, it has low emittance – it still gets hot. Just touch an unpainted galvanised sheet and a white painted one in full sun at mid-day!

There is probably a lot to be said for the energy and other environmental savings in never painting a roof, however. This kind of environmental accounting gets complicated.

]]>
By: Bruce Burn https://happyzine.co.nz/2011/01/29/coming-event-white-roofs-project-update-and-auckland-ecoday-festival-on-6th-march/comment-page-1/#comment-10377 Bruce Burn Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:05:54 +0000 https://happyzine.co.nz/?p=10623#comment-10377 While you have my support on having white roofs, I wonder why you are not promoting the unpainted corrugated iron roof? You see, Corrugated galvanised iron provides its own protection for many years if left unpainted and untreated in any way. That's how galvanising works, by interacting with the weathering of rain and sunshine, and producing a patina from the zinc within the metal. I added two rooms to my house well over thirty years ago, and left the roof unpainted. 34 years have passed and there's no rust to be seen! Not even around the lead-head steel nails holding the roof down (the more modern screw-bolt system involves galvanised screws which might be even better). I do recommend no painting of roofs, and certainly no 'etching' which removes the galvanised protection, not even where the iron sheets lap each other. And, since that leaves a shiny steel surface the reflective quality would surely equal a white-painted surface. While you have my support on having white roofs, I wonder why you are not promoting the unpainted corrugated iron roof? You see, Corrugated galvanised iron provides its own protection for many years if left unpainted and untreated in any way. That’s how galvanising works, by interacting with the weathering of rain and sunshine, and producing a patina from the zinc within the metal.

I added two rooms to my house well over thirty years ago, and left the roof unpainted. 34 years have passed and there’s no rust to be seen! Not even around the lead-head steel nails holding the roof down (the more modern screw-bolt system involves galvanised screws which might be even better). I do recommend no painting of roofs, and certainly no ‘etching’ which removes the galvanised protection, not even where the iron sheets lap each other. And, since that leaves a shiny steel surface the reflective quality would surely equal a white-painted surface.

]]>